Is This How YOU Game?

I hope the answer is no


And, always beware the basic pitfalls of gaming..


~h

The Phone Text: A Very Useful Tool of Game, Part 2

Another nice long, info-packed post from El Topo, on texting:


Text Game Part 2

So now we get how to open a text and one popular way to initiate a text dialog.
So let’s describe a few things around that.

I you haven't read Part 1 of the Text Post go here!
http://the-red-mole.blogspot.com/2008/0 … art-1.html

Also find out more about Subpersonalitites in Shaft's Post as well, cause I refer to the idea quite a bit.
http://the-red-mole.blogspot.com/2008/0 … ities.html

The reason why Hot Cold works so well, is because it is an element of Push Pull. I would like to do a post on changes made to models of game, but there are a lot of posts I would like to do…getting to it is the real feat! But surely I will get to it!

The reason why Push Pull is such an important part of game it because it is something that pretty much every human and animal is responsive to. It is almost like people can’t help but do it.
Now you can’t say something like ‘Hey, you sweet cunt whore, how’s your day going?’ that may piss some people off (but if you make it work…let me know). But what you want to do with each aspect of Hot Cold/Push Pull is get them to invest a little bit in it.

How we get people to invest is through Qualification, Baiting, Framing, Compliance, Dominance and Logistics.

So those are the things we are going to talk about in terms of text. And again, I would like to do a post on my teaching method of breaking down your Tools of Game along with How to Implement those Tools, but again it will probably be a few weeks on that. It I could write as fast as I could think then my blog would be a goddamn encyclopedia! Should have taken a typing class!

So the important thing with text to think of is that it is only a small part of game. So your goals in text are to do a few things.
I always like to Bring out-
-A Subpersonality in it, and it is great for that.
-It is a good use of to begin Force Framing
-It is a great Calibration Tool
-Logistically I want to engage someone with some compliance, usually accepting roles or doing small tasks.
-Build Investment emotionally (now it is important to know text probably isn’t the tool to engage serious emotions, but more reactive and surface level ones. You need an orchestration of complete game to have it effect deep rooted emotions)
-And Logistically I want to set up a time to meet, with all those frames and subpersonalities to bring to the table.

So with that in mind, instead of saying, ‘You sweet cunt whore, how is your day going?’
You want to say things that your texts to follow some sort of path that will stimulate reaction to role into another text that will build a frame, to role into another one that will build compliance to your frame, that will role into one that will bait them into a subpersonality and all be fun and exciting to engage in.

You can hook a girl very easily to be that guy that she has a text war with on a daily basis. During debriefing I always ask women when they started to know they were going to sleep with me. If I have worked them through text they will always say something like, ‘I thought you were cool when we met (she might even say a little weird…hahahaha), but I really started to think about you in that way, when I would be at work thinking about what I was going to text you or when you were going to text me’.
So go figure, but it works, and even with text you can see yourself get sucked in with it too! Beware!

Using Bait in Text-

Although this is how to Bait using text, all of the ideas like Push Pull/Hot Cold, Baiting, Qualifying, Framing, Compliance, Dominance, and Logistics all kind fo work together. But in their subcategories I will mainly be highlighting the part which it is titled. In this case Baiting.

So the idea of Bait is a reactive one. It is something that is hardwired; people can’t help but respond to if done correctly.

So let’s start with some examples-

Shortly after the first few texts, maybe the second or third one in…

-‘So I am sitting in a waiting room, and I wonder if the people around me know what I am thinking about’

-‘Guess what I am thinking of right now, I just totally saw your twin and it set me off.’

-‘OMG the craziest thing just happened, I am totally in a weird head space right now’

-‘Even tho you like X ;-), I still think you’re…well maybe not LOL’

-‘I am totally bored, don’t even TEMPT me with those thoughts! ☺’

-‘You have no what I just saw, you would totally LOVE it, in that sort of BAD girl sort of way…LOL!’

Ok so let’s take a look at these. Now some of them are doing a few things here.
The first one-
-‘So I am sitting in a waiting room, and I wonder if the people around me know what I am thinking about’
What you’re doing is trying to bait them into a simple question. One being, ‘where are you?’ or Two being, “What are you thinking about?’For a while Sinn, Shaft and myself would always ask two questions, or give two things to respond to in our texts to calibrate. We don’t so much anymore, but it is a great tool to use. Now with either answer you can go somewhere.
But the one that shows she is more likely to quickly accept a frame over text is if she answers anything about what you are thinking. Reason why is because if she answers that she is curious about something that leaves a huge door open to.
An office space is pretty mundane, what someone thinks that might offend the ‘norm’ hanging out in the office can be something pretty interesting, well if you’re a PUA.

So if she says ‘Where are you?’ no big deal, you text back something like,‘Trust me you don’t want to know, but these people are freaks! Totally your crowd ☺’
or
‘The funny thing is that, I am normally really into bizarro things, but I usually need a wing, next time I am bringing you! And you’ll never guess…’

So let’s take a look at a few more breakdowns…
-‘Guess what I am thinking of right now, I just totally saw your twin and it set me off.’
When I took my BC Sinn told me Future and him used the father text of this…’OMG I totally just saw your twin’ to calibrate how quickly a girl would reply. If she replied quick it meant you could begin with likely fruition on your text/phone journey.
So then we added a little more to it. Mainly because we wanted to see what she would reply too and our Bait was then more voiced to lead towards curiosity on what we are thinking. It may hook it may not. So in the first two texts a good thing to point out is asking two questions in the same text.
We will touch on that later.
But our Bait is always leading to a frame or subpersonality, or maybe even something else.

So it is best to get a response about ‘what you were thinking’ but you may get a response on the ‘twin’ part. The main thing is this will get a likely response. And you should probably use this text as a opener as well or the first text in a new exchange with someone you have been texting. It leads very well into some tactical conversations.

Replies to the twin part might be…
‘Yeah I was totally excited at first, but didn’t have that wicked side to here. LOL!’
‘And you should have SEEN the look on her face when I snuck up from behind, butt I think YOU could have handled it! HAHAHA!’

Replies to the thinking part might be…
‘All I got to say is….bad girl! LOL :-D!!!!’
‘I was actually REALLY disturbed! I knew I remembered you…stay HOTT!’

So you get the idea with that. This would go on forever if I were to breakdown all of them, so let’s go to the next Implementation of the Tool…

Qualification in Text-

This is one that you can open a text conversation with, but to really use qualification you want to use it a bit later in the exchange, but it can be fairly impactive within 2 or 3 texts in.
But first let’s talk about Qualification.
So Qualification is a get way to get a lot of things. Lot’s of people go on and on about it and it is something that many discussions can be had about it.
Most of those discussions show its use in gaining investment in the group.
There is a great Audio Program out there that has Sinn and Vision going over Qualification. Most people say it is one of the best Audio Products out there. It is something that has a long history and has evolved quite a bit.

But here are its uses-
-Gain Value and Compliance (throughout your set) towards Value. Build investment essentially, through a ladder of Qualifiers or establish your value, to make her feel the need to invest her Emotions or work up to your Value.
-Calibrate where you are at in set. So it was said many a times by Future in many Seminar rooms (probably many other people too, but I can still hear Future saying it in my head) ‘Qualification is the Gateway to Rapport. This is because is was a good way to know you could enter Comfort and also it was a good way to transition into a Comfort base story. The funny thing is that Qualification is now used in Comfort (little bit of a different twist, but definitely Qualification, and it is the total LMR buster in Seduction. Qualification is thee way to Blast through LMR and is one of the Roots to the KFP.
-And the most neglected use of Qualification is that is defines where you go next in Set!
It is what you need to show which way you are going, and in Text this is important!
What I mean is let’s say you are talking about eating Bats in the Amazon your DHV story (and let me tell you I can go on and on about how misused DHV stories are in the community), and you want to transition out of it.
You can Qualify with,‘So what is something you have done that made you know what your passions were?’
With that you can then talk about your passions and hers and all that stuff. Good for building bonds and many, many other things.

But let’s say instead you talk about eating Bats in the Amazon and transition out with…
‘So what’s the craziest thing you have ever done?’
No this can go a little more sexual… both can but with this you are using Bait to take the set somewhere into a more racy territory.

Both Qualifiers are good, neither one is better, depends on where you are in the set and where you want to go. And the Qualifier tells you where to go. That to me is a pretty important use to negate. So USE IT!

Some examples of text for qualification might be…

Opening Text with a Qualifier-

-‘So what is your favorite Karaoke song! ;-)’

-‘So wait, you always pick up guys, when they are DRUNK!’

Again opening with a qualifier is pretty weak use of a qualifier, but be creative and fun with it and it will work.


A few Texts in-
Think about if they fall into one of your Baiting texts you can empower it with your Qualifier.

-‘Jezz! You really do have a WILD side don’t you?’

-‘What kind of girl are you…really? I mean you didn’t really put that off when I met you, but go figure! LOL’

-‘So you are really starting to make me wonder, who taught you your text etiquette?’

-‘I am not sure if I really know about you yet… are you one of those girls that doesn’t always play nice…’
So you can see from this that the qualifiers really do have somewhat of a Baiting element to them too. They are also the beginnings to Frames, Compliance and bringing out that subpersonality.

Remember Qualification is a tool to progress on in the right direction!

And that will take us to….

Compliance through Text

Now here will probably be one of the more rich parts of the post, because it will map out how you need to text (the flow of text or the rhythm). Compliance does a few things…
But at its fundamental it brings out repetition in the target working in a certain direction.
Normally I bring up Framing before Compliance, but I will lead with compliance here to better describe Framing later.
Normally compliance is just thought of as getting a girl to do something for you. This alone is super effective. In fact I remember on a Workshop in Hawaii, Tyler Durden spent about 20mins describing to a student what Compliance was, and this opened my eyes to a larger field of it. Also Shaft can talk, and I mean talk about the importance of Compliance in all forms of Game.

But other than getting someone to do tasks, you can build a Qualification ladder with Compliance, you can build frames with Baiting someone by making them Compliant to your interaction with them, you can make someone fulfill a narrative that brings out a Subpersonality through Compliance. Basically you can use Compliance to get someone to follow your lead.
Compliance is the fucking shit, so see it as not just getting someone to fulfill actions, but also to be made to interact with you in a specific way that helps Frame them into your Subpersonality.

My example will be an exchange with breakdown of what I am attempting to do through Text. Here goes….

PUA- ‘You won’t believe what just happened! You should have BEEN HERE!’
Target- ‘?’
PUA- ‘Really that is ALL you can write ‘?’ I thought you spoke text…lol, are you sitting down?’
Target- ‘Yeah, I am at work, WHAT HAPPENED, is that better? ☺’
PUA- ‘This chick just totally went crazy at the store, I thought, I wish (target’s name) was here.’
Target- ‘I don’t know if I would have wanted too, what did she do?’
PUA- ‘Yeah, I am not sure if you would have laughed or joined in…’
Target- ‘That depends what it was she was doing’
PUA- ‘I still am not sure…either you’d be all over it or ur one of those PG 13 girls’
Target- ‘Wouldn’t you like to know?’
PUA- ‘That says it ALL right there! ;-)’
Target- ‘OMG, you are totally crazy… You might not want to know! :p’
PUA- ‘ME totally Crazy! F U!’
Target- ‘YES! And F U too ☺’
PUA- ‘That is sweet, but now you’re are totally making me wonder and now U won’t want to know… ’
Target ‘You couldn’t even imagine’
PUA- ‘Seriously, I have to drive now, so take it easy on me, you wouldn’t want to cause an accident now would you???’
Target- ‘Accident? That might be fun, good thing I am not there! Lol!’
PUA- ‘So now I am totally bored, entertain me… are you at work?’
Target- ‘Yes’
PUA- ‘And what are you doing?’
Target- ‘I am sitting at my desk answering my boss’ emails’
PUA- ‘Woman… really, I though you spoke text…how are you going to make me crash with THAT!’
Target- ‘HA! I thought I was PG 13’
PUA- ‘Ahh, we proved that you only are when you’re at the club, but at work I know what REALLY goes on!’
Target- ‘So dirty?’
PUA- ‘Actually it is one of the worst places that my mind wanders, just think if I was at work, my imagination would be corrupted even MORE by U! ’
Target- ‘You are a trip, I think you’re corrupting me!’
PUA- ‘Good cause later I may need your help, I have a crazy meeting I have to attend ☹…’
Target- ‘HA! We will see…’
PUA- Stop with that ‘we will see’ crap, you’re totally my text BITCH! Lol!’
Target- ‘Ahhh Text BITCH… couldn’t you come up with something else.’
PUA- ‘Yeah but, text me BACK….BITCH! by the way I am almost back and still no crash…’
Target- ‘CRASH BITCH!’
PUA- ‘You’re supposed to make me do that in another way…come on GET TO WORK!’
Target- ‘You’re too much. I can’t handle you…’
PUA- ‘That is what I thought! Lol. No really, what are you doing later, I will need someone to perk me up in a few hours.’
Target- ‘Why are you asking I thought I was your BITCH! Hahaha!’
PUA- ‘Jezz UR having way too much fun, maybe I should give you a whip so you can step it up’
Target- ‘I like whips’
PUA- ‘And I do too, but I don’t use them, I prefer using my hand!’
Target- ‘Now that depends, when and where…’
PUA- ‘Really, I think that you know WHEN and WHERE, unless you’re really more creative than me… and then I don’t want to know’
Target- ‘ That’s right BITCH!’
PUA- ‘Look woman, talk all you want, but I will turn you inside and out’
Target- ‘I am waiting…’
PUA- ‘And be waiting with a wheelchair cause you might need it’
Target- ‘LOL!’

Ok so this is a pretty common exchange.
No what you see in the first part of this, is a lot of baiting toward sex using really fun attitude. Text game is all Attraction being used as a door to open up different parts of her. This particular girl was not biting at first but still going along with it. This always suck, but if she is at least somewhat entertaining your ideas you can still press on very lightly. You always want her following your lead.
The whole time I am leading the interaction, and the whole time I am reframing her replies to what I want to see them as.
The more I can get her to follow my path of the narrative, the more I make her Compliant.
And the reason why I chose this exchange was because it took her a while to warm up and it was done without any breaks in the text, it all took place over one day.

So now I text saying, ‘BITCH I am bored TEXT BACK!’ and she does.You can also see the slow escalation of her turning more towards me. Eventually she does but it wasn’t immediate. The thing is that once they walk through enough of your doors (along with it being a fun interaction) they will ultimately continue on.
Compliance is something that can build your whole foundation to game.

For now that is all…

~h

Diamond in the Rough..? More Like - the Diamond IS Rough!

Ok, time for a quick study break..and by quick, of course, I mean like a few hours! Earlier this evening/night, I had an HB want to come by to see me..a quick background follows:

Around the middle/end of February, I went to this hotel to make a booking for me and my gf, who was coming to see me for Spring Break [how tight is that? Spring Break, in the Caribbean?? Nice!]. Afterwards, I'm walking back, when I notice, in this jewelry store [within a "mall" directly across the street from the hotel], this really cute girl watching me through the glass wall. And she keeps looking, and watching, and staring..and at this point, I'm feeling pretty chill [I'd been reviewing some things at the time, the Venusian Arts Handbook (written by Mystery and Lovedrop, and including passages/posts by others, such as Neil Strauss/Style (The Game, StyleLife Academy), Sinn (The Mystery Method), Toecutter, Wilder, Mad Dash, Tyler Durden (Real Social Dynamics), Papa (also RSD), Thundercat (The Art of Approaching, Thundercat's Seduction Lair), Lance Mason (PickUp 101), Cliff (Cliff's List, Cliff's Seduction Newsletter)) as well as Double Your Dating (written by David DeAngelo), and thus I was feeling very confident in being able to do basically whatever the hell I wanted], so I look right back at her as I walk by and mouth/gesture towards her, "Are you bored?" After a couple of tries, she gets it and mouths back "Very!", so I smile and nod and keep walking. I got this feeling of being watched, so I turn around and spot this girl pressed up against the glass in an attempt to keep me in her visual field, and I think 'Fuck it!!' and make a sharp right to go into the mall to find her.

I get into the jewelry store and basically game the shit out of the girl [HBJewelryStore..very creative, I know] and her co-worker. At the time, I didn't have all the in-sights that I have now, just some basic stuff in terms of b.l., and definitely not as clear an understanding of Mystery's stuff as it applies in-field. Whatever I did know, though, I used it like I had no other choice [which I didn't, technically] and wound up with both of their #'s..nice. I stick around for a bit longer [this whole interaction was probably ~1 hour..a little long, I know now, but back then..whatever]. Since then, I probably only saw HBJewelryStore 2 more times, but we texted/talked fairly regularly..

..and then my gf came, and HBJewelryStore saw us nearly every night, with me blowing her off while walking around with my gf, doing my best not to be holding hands or whatever else, but seriously: what's a guy doing, with a girl who's obviously not from around here, at random hours of the night, especially entering and leaving a hotel?? Ah, well..as bad as things seemed to be at the time, I managed to patch things up [it helped that she accidentally mentioned her bf, and I totally called her out on hiding it, which definitely made her thing against me].

After a few attempts at trying to meet up this term, we finally got together today/tonight. I could tell from her b.l. right off that she was not comfortable being around my place, in such an intimiate setting..greaaaat..I also noticed that as hot as she was back at the Jewelry Store, she wasn't as hot now - in part due to her "fake" hair, but also the fact that she was wearing normal clothes [as opposed to her dressy business-style clothes at work], and you could very easily notice that she could probably stand to lose a few pounds..awesome. And she reminded me that she wasn't older than like 19-20 years. But, her face was still hot, and her ass was looking niiice, so I was cool with it haa

So I manage to warm her up, her b.l. opened up, etc, but it took a lot of effort, and then later on, her bf came up ["He's tracking me down.."], and I realized that must be why she's all off right now..which means that whatever chance I might've had to escalate with her tonight, just got that much smaller..but I continue to game anyway, because I could at least go for a kiss-close or in the very least, I could at least set things up for a better finish for next time [whenever that may be, considering my schedule these days]. I decided I wasn't going to be a little bitch about it - I was going to push myself beyond my comfort zone and escalate as much as possible until I got up to the kissing point.

To get into the proper mind-set, I kept reminding myself that obviously she was here, at my place, 1-on-1, despite having a boyfriend, especially a bf who was trying to find her at the moment. So, I began gaming: random shit verbally [verbal push-pulls were a big one, she even said multiple times throughout the evening that I was crazy or I was driving her crazy "because..well, I don't know, you just are!"], however, most of the game I ran on her was non-verbal, body language things, i.e. take-aways, push-pulls, back-turns, disinterest, etc. At 1 point, I was even texting another girl, who had initiated the texting [Jealousy Plotline (SOO $!)..and it reminded me of how easily I could've done that myself with anyone, even a guy friend - all that she needed to realize was that I have other people who want to get a hold of me, especially on a Friday night..and besides, as far as she knows, unless I tell her otherwise, the person/people texting me are female(s) haha]. Next thing I know, not only has she opened up immensly towards me, but I caught her doing the triangular gazing..and it was just on-going! Completely sub-conscious, and at 1 point, I even tested her by cutting the conversational thread and returning her stare, then doing my own triangular gazing, and I could tell she was just going nuts! It was retarded how easily I had gamed this girl, with her bf on her mind/ass trying to track her down, and all she could think about by the time I was done with her was fucking me!

I ran a few compliance tests on her, really just 1 main one over and over until she "scored" better and better: the high-5 into the grasped hand-holding..initially, she completely failed, but I held my ground and got her to break and comply. Then, she reverted back, but it didn't take more than 1 look from me and another attempt for her to laugh and do it right..and then she got it right from there on out, even leading to a hand-hold once or twice. The other thing I noticed was that in terms of physical touching, she was initially closed off to it, even if I simply left my hand somewhere too long, even on/in her hand, but I plowed through, both verbally but especially non-verbally [again, reminding myself that she was here, despite whatever circumstances, so she obviously had interest in being here..regardless of what verbal and/or non-verbal cues she was giving off]. I had an opportunity to do an old favorite of mine [I've used this from long ago, something I discovered on my own and had already realized/analyzed into how and why it works] - wrestling/play-fighting. It didn't go over too well [my standards are pretty high with it, because it has always led to at least a k-close, if not a full-out f-close], but it was enough to get her to be really cool with the touching and rubbing and holding, especially after I had thrown her up against the wall and over-powered her for a good minute or so, just our bodies pressed up against each other..and then I released and walked back to my couch as though nothing had happened, and needless to say, she followed me and sat right up against me the rest of the time. Later on, I decided to pull a comfort-building routine that I hadn't really done before, but it seemed pretty straight-forward, to the point that I could just wing it..and I didn't really have a choice. At the start of it, I barely glance over at her before pointing at my cheek and arching my neck out, basically putting my face/cheek closer to her..and without any hesitation, she leaned in and kissed it. The purpose in doing this [even though I'd already been getting the triangular gazing at this point for at least an hour, on and off] was that I needed to know if she was comfortable enough to follow through on her Attraction urges. Well, guess what? She was..nice. I continue on with the comfort routine that I decided to go with: showing her a bunch of pics from when me and my family were in Egypt, December of 2005 [I think]. After this, I made sure to throw in some A3-type/Comfort topics, like I was really glad she'd come, she's so great or fun or funny or whatever..I wanted to get her as far away from her initial emotional mindset as possible if I was going to be achieving the goal(s) I'd set goal, right?

Finally, her ride arrives - and it's her bf..so what does Hrithik do? I get her to kiss me, while he's waiting on her outside! Kick-ass! I used the same tactic as before: while she was talking [something about leaving and it was nice that she'd come, etc], I was standing a bit away from her, and then just pointed at my left cheek - she came over and kissed it. Then I pointed at my right cheek, and she came back again and kissed it [and stood closer, hoping/expecting that there were going to be more kisses involved]. Good thing I noticed this, because I was feeling like 'maybe she doesn't want to, or maybe/what if she doesn't come in for any more..??', but I pushed past it and pointed at my forehead, and she kissed it, and then I pointed at my lips [cue the dramatic music], and .. .. .. she leaned in and kissed me [after a split-second of hesitation] - nice. And all the while, her bf is outside waiting on her..haha

Next time, I gotta push for further..get her beyond the point of feeling discomfort dealing with me touching her [for example, smacking her ass, being right up on her, etc - the things that would be happening when we're both naked; if she's not fully comfortable doing that clothed, then..yeaaahh..]

~h